California Governor Gavin Newsom, known for his involvement in various high-profile projects, recently hosted Hunter Biden on his podcast. The conversation covered a range of topics from Democrats, Joe Biden, to phone addiction.

During this 95-minute session, Newsom, the leader of the world’s fourth-largest economy, took the time to engage with Biden, who is widely recognized for his personal issues and the subsequent political challenges these created for his father, the former president.

Hunter Biden has recently used online platforms to discuss his past struggles with addiction and has humorously hinted at entering the presidential race in 2028. Both Newsom and Biden appear to be participating in what is known as ‘engagement farming,’ leveraging notoriety and social media algorithms that favor content sparking emotion or controversy.

The podcast offered both men a medium for introspection. Newsom reflected on his father’s influence in his life, while Biden candidly discussed the pardon he received, humorously acknowledging his father’s love and prioritization of him over political matters.